How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

topic posted Fri, September 16, 2005 - 8:07 AM by  Rob
Ok... so yesterday we had our annual redetermination for Medicaid for Molly. My Daughter Molly is autistic and receives physical therapy paid for by Medicaid. Well first thing he asks is do you have a current copy of your medical waiver? Uhhh... no... Don't you have a copy? Well the only thing he had was a 3 yr old copy of the Support Services waiver, which we were approved for, but then was told that we did not get. In between that time, we applied for Molly to be on Medicaid, which was approved.

But then the Support Services waiver was taken away because they didn't have enough money for it.

Soooo... we continued on for the last 3 years sending Molly to physical therapy and Medicaid paying for it. joy joy.

Here's the kicker, if we are not on the Support Services waiver, then we should never have been approved for Medicaid. So if we don't qualify for Medicaid financially (which no one appears to know what the cut off is) they are going to take away Medicaid and retroactively make us pay back all the funding that Medicaid paid for Molly's therapy.

Holy shit.
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Rob
offline Rob
Indianapolis
  • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

    Fri, September 16, 2005 - 8:47 AM
    HOLY SHIT!

    That is NOT cool. First of all, is she has a diagnosis, you should automatically qualify for Medicaid, regardless of income. They can't even ask you income, only hers. So long as she has less than $3000 in holdings (put any savings accounts for her in someone else's name), she qualifies. But you have to reapply every year.

    If some jackass made a mistake and didn't file the right paperwork with the right office, that's not your fault and it's not your problem. Do you at least know where to go to argue your case?
    • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

      Fri, September 16, 2005 - 9:44 PM
      it's not based on the child's income but on the income of the household. This holds true for supplemental medicaid, full coverage medicaid, and SSI-D. I have run the gauntlet (qualify, make $6 too much one month and have to change programs...state vs federal - you name it!).
  • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

    Fri, September 16, 2005 - 9:38 PM
    rule of thumb is about $10k per family member in the household per year gross....they subtract health insurance, daycare and a couple of other things to compute your "eligible" income.

    Yup, medicaid can be a seriously screwed up deal. I've been calling in just enough "days without pay" (I'm salaried) for the last 3 years to maintain eligibilty for supplemental medicaid.
    • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

      Sun, September 18, 2005 - 7:49 PM
      Also remember, any agency is still made up of 'people'.
      If you can keep this in mind when talking with the case worker(s), it can make a world of difference.
      For a minute, step out of your own role and look at their's ... day in day out they have to deal with angry and frustrated clients.
      I have found that if I can approach them with kindness, and ask for help, they will do everything in their power to help me.
      Find out the income guidelines, every state has them. Just ask your worker.
      And yes, medicaid is determined by the parent's income, but many states have supplimental programs that offer services to children with higher income allowances.
      Keep your chin up, it is always work, lots of work, but the end result is really what you are after.
      Go with the flow, accept the challenges and things will work out ...

    • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

      Mon, September 19, 2005 - 5:01 AM
      No no no no. You can get a medicaid waiver that disregards your income when you have a child with a diagnosis like autism. That's why I've been so frustrated when I've heard parents say that their child got a diagnosis of PDD-NOS, because THAT diagnosis doesn't qualify for the waiver.

      Rob, your household income should have ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with Molly's medicaid services if she has a diagnosis. You may have to take her back to a developmental pediatrician or psychologist or qualified diagnostician, or whoever, but once you have a disgnosis in your hand, they will give you the waiver. Your child is disabled, and these services are HUGELY VALUABLE towards giving her a normal life. Don't let them bully you.
      • Rob
        Rob
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        Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

        Tue, September 20, 2005 - 8:36 AM
        That's true Heather, BUT... there's a HUGE waiting list for people to get medical waivers...

        Last I heard the waiting list to get on the Autism Waiver in Indiana was 8 years.

        That's what the origin of the problem was. We were approved for the Support Services Waiver, but then they realized they didn't have enough money for the people they approved so they took it away from us. But in the meantime, we applied for Medicaid and we were approved, but because the Support Services Waiver people weren't communicating with the Medicaid approval people...
  • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

    Mon, September 19, 2005 - 5:10 AM
    www.in.gov/fssa/servicedisabl/dd35.html

    Rob, this is page on the Indiana's FSSA website that discusses waivers available to persons with developmental disabilities. Indiana has a special Autism waiver, just for people like you. Take a look. Do you have a service coordinator or advocate? Who do you talk to when you need to change or add services for Molly?
    • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

      Wed, April 19, 2006 - 10:52 AM
      Hey, I just found this place :) This is Mandie, Rob's wife

      Here's the deal. Indiana has Traditional Medicaid, or Medicaid for Aged and Disabled (MAD), for which Molly qualifies medically and possibly financially, we don't know. (Can you see my eyes rolling from over there?)

      There is also a waiver system which waives the income cap for certain disabilities. We applied 4 years ago for the Autism waiver, which at that time had an 8 year waiting list. I am pretty sure it's longer now. I am guessing that even if her name came up she wouldn't get it because she would get an "Autism Spectrum" diagnosis, and not classical autism.

      There is a Developmental Disability waiver, she's on that waiting list too. And because those waiting lists were so long, they added something called the Support Services waiver, which was supposed to be interrim support for people waiting on the other lists. It's less $, but it's something. We do have a waiver case manager, and he's great, we had a budget and everything, but, no waiver, damnit.

      Molly was approved for the SS waiver and then yanked off, as Rob said. Meanwhile, we applied and were approved for MAD. We've re-certified for this every year, given them all our income information, so we assumed we qualified as under the income cap. During this time she was passed around from one case worker to another. Eventually someone noticed she doesn't have a waiver. I don't know why they didn't know this before. This guy who discovered it basically refuses to return our phone calls. We have received letters announcing phone interview times (not optional ones) and then HE DOESN'T CALL. It's so f*&^ aggravating.

      We talk to a supervisor, they ask for some more documentation of some thing or another. We wait a week, call back, leave messages, nothing. Then we get a message saying it's transfered AGAIN to someone else. GAAHH!

      I get that they are people to but these people are NOT HUMAN. I've dealt with lots of people at SSI and FSSA and they've all been much better than this. What are we supposed to do if they won't call us back? Supervisors don't call back. It's ridiculous and unacceptable. Meanwhile Molly is not getting therapy. (It's OT, not PT, not that it matters) We are now writing to our state representative to see if he can get them to do something. If that doesn't work, we're going to the news.

      I don't believe anyone has been approved for Support Services in the past 3 years, and I'm pretty sure our *&^*$ governor is going to cut it. The very first thing he did when he went into office is cut medicaid.

      So, we're still screwed, basically.
      • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

        Wed, April 19, 2006 - 11:00 AM
        Yikes. That sucks big time. I think you're doing the right thing, writing to your representative, and going to the news, but have you considered contacting a lawyer? I know lawyers are expensive, but you might find one from legal aide or someone who might do pro bono work.

        Or you need to move to another state. :) I know, that's probably not an option for anyone, but after hearing some other people's horror stories, I'm glad I live in New York.

        Haven't seen Rob around in a while. Tell him I said Hi, okay?
        • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

          Wed, April 19, 2006 - 12:19 PM
          I will :) He's probably just busy with his Evan Bayh tribe...

          My cousin is a lawyer, though not in this field, but I have talked to him about it and we will go down that road if they eventually try to deny her coverage. What they were saying at one point is that we had to pay them BACK for all the years of therapy they paid for. I haven't heard that lately, I think they realize they screwed up... Right now I just wish they'd decide one way or another so we know what to do next.
  • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

    Sat, June 24, 2006 - 12:19 PM
    The thing with medicaid that most people don't understand is even though it gets some amount of federal money it is a state program, and every state waiver is different (and constantly changing. I wanted you to have a quote from an actual Judge that says it all.

    There can be no doubt but that the statutes and provisions in question, involving the financing of Medicare and Medicaid, are among the most completely impenetrable texts within human experience. Indeed, one approaches them at the level of specificity herein demanded with dread, for not only are they dense reading of the most tortuous kind, but Congress also revisits the area frequently, generously cutting and pruning in the process and making any solid grasp of the matters addressed merely a passing phase.

    Rehabilitation Ass'n of Virginia v. Kozlowski, 42 F.3d 1444, 1450 (4th Cir. 1994) (Ervin, Chief Judge)
    • Re: How do you spell "screwed"? M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D

      Sat, October 28, 2006 - 5:11 PM
      Another Medicaid whirlwind of chaos, our dear home state has restricted any medicaid money from leaving NC, so I am in the process of finding a way to fund another heart surgery in Michigan. We are on number 6, with the two most recent in Michigan, we have a very fine surgeon up there.
      If I can't swing it, we will have to stay in state and take our chances. I am at ease though and hoping that we will find a way to pay for this. The hospital where I work has insurance that will pay 50% .. wish modern medicine and humanity were not so disparate.

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